What is this “freedom of expression” you speak of?
You’re right, I’ll put up my Swastika because I have German heritage!
So, we shouldn’t have freedom of expression then? If you wanna fly that, go ahead. People (like me) won’t like it, but you have the freedom to do so.
No, no one should be allowed to fly swastikas or confederate flags. Why even feel pride in a nation that lost and whose only stake in the world market was cotton grown by slaves? I’m from Georgia. I feel no pride in that piece of shit flag.
Germany and Hungary apologized and now Swastikas and Arrow-crosses are banned in most of Europe. I do support internet freedom and totally hate the NSA, but no one should be able to fly these flags. Freedom isn’t the most important issue in this goddamn nation.
HOW ABOUT YOU GO DONATE AND CONTRIBUTE TO A REAL GODDAMN ISSUE.
You make some very good points. Like “Freedom isn’t the most important issue in this goddamn nation.” If that attitude were adopted by the Republican party in the 1850s and 1860s, then they would not have strived to have the slaves freed. If they did not strive to have the slaves freed, the South would not have broken off. If the South had not broken off, there would have been no Civil War and there would be no Confederate flag. If there were no Confederate flag, this issue would not be debated. And thus, adopting stances like “Freedom isn’t the most important issue in this goddamn nation” would have led to the continuation of slavery, but also would have eliminated the need for this debate because the Confederate flag would not exist.
Perhaps, if “Freedom isn’t the most important issue in this goddamn nation” we should make an Amendment to the Constitution ending the prohibition on slavery and bringing the South back to its antebellum state. Or we can just recognize that you’re a moron.
Listen here you pretentious fuck. That’s not even what I said.
Listen, I doubt the person flying that goddamn flag is either A) not white or B) a minority. He has enough goddamn freedom.
Also, when does saying nobody should be able to fly an evil flag lead to reinstituting slavery? Boy, you’re a fucking moron.
I never said that restricting right to fly the Confederate flag would lead to reinstating slavery. I said that denying the importance of freedom can have bad results, and used the example of what could have happened if freedom was not valued in the antebellum United States. You don’t like that they flew a Confederate flag; personally, I don’t like when people fly the Confederate flag either. I also don’t like being called a pretentious fuck. But if you feel like I am a pretentious fuck, I’m not going to stop you from saying so. And if someone chooses to fly the Confederate flag, I’m not going to stop them from doing so. Just because something offends me doesn’t mean I have a right to say it should not be allowed.
And I’m not a “fucking moron”. I’m just someone who feels that freedom is the most important asset a person can have, and that allowing the restriction of freedom in what one sees as “acceptable” ways too often sets precedents that permit freedom to be restricted in completely unacceptable ways.
Marijuana laws, for example. Marijuana is safer than alcohol and tobacco, and less intoxicating than alcohol. Yet it is the only one of the three that is illegal. The government convinced the public that restricting the freedom to consume marijuana was “acceptable” with a smear campaign that made it seem much worse than it actually is. This “acceptable” infringement of freedom has led to restricting freedom by race. “Blacks account for 12% of the population, 14% of annual marijuana users, and 31% of marijuana possession arrests.” (source) If blacks are only 14% of the annual marijuana users, why do they make up 31% of the marijuana possession arrests? Simple. Once we permit the government or government institutions to restrict freedom for an “acceptable” reason, they will inevitably abuse their power to restrict freedom for undoubtedly unacceptable reasons. There are plenty who are offended by pot usage, but restricting the freedom to consume pot has led to restricting freedom by race and disproportionately removing blacks from society. This is why we cannot permit the government to restrict freedom on the basis it offends someone—no matter who it’s offending.
There’s a difference between allowing someone to fly an evil flag and allowing someone to smoke a recreational drug.
Germany rates lower on the corruption scale than America does, and they’ve banned two flags already.
Pretentious fuck isn’t a racial slur.
You’re right, there is a difference. In your eyes, the difference is between an evil flag and a recreational drug. In the eyes of others, the difference is between a flag that symbolizes southern pride or perhaps freedom or independence and an evil drug. By labelling the flag as “evil” you have closed your mind to the potential that not all who wave it are racist just as much as those who label pot as “evil” have closed their mind to the potential that not all who smoke it are hoodlums.
The problem comes in assuming all people who fall into group A must also fall into group B because certain people who fall into group B also fall into group A. That is to say, all people who wave the Confederate flag are racist because some racists wave the Confederate flag or all people who smoke pot are hoodlums because some hoodlums smoke pot. Whereas I agree with you that waving the Confederate flag is disrespectful because of what it is generally accepted to mean, whether or not the person waving it means it in that way, I disagree that government and its institutions (such as schools) should be permitted to restrict the Confederate flag. A government that uses drug laws to disproportionately incarcerate minorities should not be trusted taking sides in “evil” versus “good” in any situation. We need to be taking power away from our government, not granting it more power; permitting it to restrict freedom of expression, including the restriction of the Confederate flag, grants it more power. If a business wants to say “Anyone who waves a Confederate flag is not welcome here” I would whole-heartedly support that business. But it is not the government’s place to utilize such a restriction, directly or through its institutions.
And it does not matter that “pretentious fuck” is not a racial slur, I still find it offensive and thus it is still the same idea as you finding the Confederate flag offensive.